Leyton Orient manager Danny Webb believes the six-game ban handed to Liam Kelly by the Football Association for pushing a ball boy is "excessive".

Kelly was reported to the FA by Plymouth Argyle after an incident in Orient's 3-2 win on 14 February.
Orient's captain denied a charge of violent conduct, but the FA found him guilty, deeming the standard three-match ban to be "clearly insufficient".
"I think it's extremely excessive, when you look at the past cases," Webb said.
He told BBC Radio London: "For me it was a three-match ban, but to go to six, I feel like we're being used as an example just to try and stop people doing that.
"You shouldn't do it, and Liam shouldn't have done it, but for me it's excessive."
Webb, who has been in charge of relegation-threatened Orient since January, was also critical of Plymouth's role in the incident, which happened in the 86th minute of the League Two match.
"The referee - did he see it, did he not? Who knows," Webb, 33, added.
"Plymouth definitely saw it, and I think that's the most disappointing thing, that a club that hold such high moral standards as Plymouth have got the nerve to criticise, to try and make a bigger thing out of something."
Having sat out of The O's 3-2 defeat by Notts County on Saturday, Kelly will now miss five more matches for 23rd placed Orient, including crucial ties against fellow strugglers Cheltenham Town, Newport County and Accrington Stanley.


Cyclist Becky James says that as recently as the start of 2016 she was not sure she would make the Olympics.

The 2013 double world champion missed the 2012 London Games because of injury and struggled with form and fitness before gaining selection for Rio.
"If you'd said to me seven months ago 'keep training hard you'll be going to the Olympics' I probably would have said no," James admitted.
"I really can't believe it, this is just surreal for me."
James will compete in the keirin on the track at Rio.
The Welsh racer won gold in the keirin and sprint at the 2013 Track World Championships in Minsk, but was then plagued for two-years with shoulder and knee injuries, as well as enduring a cancer scare.
Her return to the track in August 2015 saw James a long way off the pace and she faced a tough and unsuccessful World Cup series before making a breakthrough at the World Championships in London in March, 2016.
"I remember my first race back in August and I was just so off the pace and I couldn't see how I could get back to where I was or even better, because I knew the rest of the world just keeps moving on," said the 24-year-old from Abergavenny.
"I struggled in the World Cup - I had to race in the World Cup to qualify for the World Championships and if I didn't do that I wouldn't qualify for the Olympics.
"I didn't really get any results in the World Cups and I was losing belief in myself and after Hong Kong [World Cup event] I had five weeks of training before the Worlds and something just changed.
"I was really happy and I just thought 'whatever happens now is just going to be' and I think that's what helped me get into the final of Keirin."
James finished third in the final, a moment she puts on an equal footing with her best in the sport.
"For me it was on a par with winning my world titles," she said.
"I would never have imagined winning a medal again so it felt like a gold medal for me and I think for the rest of the team too."
James puts her return to the British team down to her own hard work and help from coaches and those close to her.
"I think [it was] the support from my family, George [North] my boyfriend and all the staff at British cycling," added James.
"They kept saying they believed in me, and that they knew I'd get back - but I just found it really hard on those darker days but I'm glad I knuckled through now."
And the family will be in Rio to cheer her and the British team as they try to emulate their nine-medal haul from the track in 2012.
"There's a big crowd of my family. I've got eight supporters - both my parents are coming," she said.
"And George, my grandparents, my uncle and my auntie who live in Argentina and my little sister so, yeah, it's a big family outing.
"Obviously there's a little bit of pressure, but for me I've got my own mindset, I know exactly what I want to do and I'm going to keep it that way and, you know, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity and I want to just enjoy every minute of it."


Televised general election debates should include Plaid Cymru, a party member has said.

Plaid AM Rhun ap Iorwerth said "the Welsh electorate were excluded" from the 2010 debates because his party did not take part.
He said Plaid should join the debates along with the SNP and the Greens.
The Labour, Lib Dem and UKIP leaders will ask broadcasters to hold the debates, even if Prime Minister David Cameron refuses to participate.
Mr Cameron said he will take part only if the Green Party is included.
Mr ap Iorwerth told BBC Radio Wales' Morning Call programme: "We've reminded the broadcasters in the meetings that we've had with them over the past few months that they're influential and they've got to take that influence that they have very seriously.
"They've got to take their responsibilities very, very seriously, and that's a responsibility not to Plaid, but to the voters of Wales."


In Washington, political intrigue often serves as a substitute for oxygen.

Little surprise then, that the corridors of power were packed with people desperate for a seat to the hottest ticket in (this) town - the Senate appearance of James Comey.
Hundreds of mostly millennials, congressional staffers and interns, weaved around the hallways of the Senate's Hart building hoping to witness the former FBI director's testimony first hand.
The last time I'd seen a queue like this was when I walked past the line for a free One Direction concert in Los Angeles.
But unlike Hollywood, where the endings are annoyingly predictable, the unexpected plot twists in Washington politics made this a must-see moment.
What would James Comey say? What would this mean for President Trump? Is this going to be better than the new series of House of Cards?
Rebecca was one of the many congressional interns I'd met waiting to get in. The last time she'd queued this long for anything was to see a Harry Potter movie.
Judging by her place in line she had little chance of seeing it anywhere but on a television screen, even though she'd been here since 6am.
Others, like Senate staffers Samantha, Mitchell and Ben, who arrived at the Hart building at 4.15am and entered at 5am, secured prime touchline seats.
"It's history in the making. It will be good to get some clarity on what's happening," Samantha told me, adding that she didn't trust Trump or Comey.
Room 216 has played host to dramatic moments of political theatre in its time, but nothing like this in living memory.
In front of the public seats in the wood-panelled room were rows of media tables. Ahead of that, seating for VIPs - although quite remarkably these, the best seats in the house, were not all filled. Almost an entire row was empty.
James Comey was to field questions seated at a table with his back to us spectators, as he faced the interrogating senators head-on. A place setting marking his name read "Director Comey".
In the moments before his arrival, the anticipation built up. I spotted reporters taking selfies in front of Mr Comey's table, as photographers with huge cameras jostled for space nearby.
Veteran New York Times photographer Doug Mills, who is no stranger to documenting historic moments, told me the stress level for everybody was "amped up".
"You never know what's going to happen," he said, "it could be enlightening, it could be a bore."
After the senators who would be doing the grilling took their seats, the frantic clicks of camera shutters could be heard.
James Comey entered the room. It was hard to miss him, given how tall he is.
He began by raising his right hand to take the oath of office, swearing to tell the truth, and nothing but.
As he sat down and began listening to and answering questions, I was struck by how composed he was.
James Comey seemed confident; he barely hesitated as he fielded questions from senators.
One detail that surprised me the most was the absence of notes on the table in front of him.
This from a man who told the hearing he insisted on taking notes after every private meeting he had with President Trump.
And yet without any bullet points or prompts, he recounted his version of events in impeccable detail, barely stumbling over his words.
His testimony was damning for the president on many occasions. When he first implied President Trump was a liar, sharp intakes of oxygen could be heard around the room.
Every time a newsworthy quote was uttered, the dozens of reporters seated at the tables tapped away furiously on their phones and laptops.
Another such moment was when Mr Comey said, unequivocally, that Russia was involved in trying to influence the outcome of the 2016 election.
In a hearing which contained so many "wow" moments, there were also moments of levity.
Laughter rippled around the room after James Comey insisted it was President Trump who invited him to a private dinner, not the other way round, as Mr Trump has stated.
I had to "break a date" with my wife, Mr Comey said, wishing he had taken her out after all.
Even the senators managed a smile.
There were some challenging questions - but Mr Comey seemed unflustered by whatever was thrown at him.
As he left the room after taking questions for several hours without a break, I walked up to where he'd been sitting.
On the desk were two glasses of water - both practically full. During the entire hearing, he barely sipped on them.
Most people under that sort of pressure would have finished several bottles by this stage.
Mr Comey left the hearing, glass full in more ways than one.
In what has become a battle of two competing narratives, every word he said had to be delivered decisively.
After all, the other narrative comes from no less than the president of the United States.


Mark Rylance has been nominated for an Olivier theatre award, just hours after winning his first Oscar.

He is up against Adrian Lester, Benedict Cumberbatch, Kenneth Branagh and Kenneth Cranham for best actor.
Productions of Gypsy and Kinky Boots lead the nominations with eight and seven nominations respectively.
The Olivier Awards, which celebrate their 40th anniversary this year, will be held at London's Royal Opera House on 3 April.
The nominees for best actress are Gemma Arterton, Denise Gough, Janet McTeer, Lia Williams and Nicole Kidman.
Olivier Awards 2016: Nominations in full
Rylance is nominated for his role as King Philippe V of Spain in Farinelli and the King, which played at the Duke of York's Theatre.
Claire van Kampen's play received six nominations in total. It goes up against The Father, Hangmen and People, Places And Things for the title of best new play.
Rylance's nomination was announced on Monday in the aftermath of his win for best supporting actor at the Academy Awards for his role in Steven Spielberg's Bridge of Spies.
Kenneth Branagh Theatre Company's production of The Winter's Tale is also nominated in six categories.
One of them is best supporting actress, for Dame Judi Dench's portrayal of the noblewoman, Paulina.
It marks Dame Judi's 15th nomination, having previously received six awards and one special award.
Kinky Boots, the music for which was composed by Cyndi Lauper, picked up seven nominations.
It faces Bend It Like Beckham, In The Heights and Mrs Henderson Presents for the best new musical award.
Benedict Cumberbatch's nomination is one of four received by the Barbican's production of Hamlet.
Its has competition in the best revival category from Les Liaisons Dangereuses, The Winter's Tale, and Ma Rainey's Black Bottom.
Michael Ball and Imelda Staunton announced the full list of this year's Olivier nominees at an event in central London.
Imelda Staunton herself has been nominated for her lead role in Gypsy.
Ball will also host this year's ceremony. He previously co-hosted the awards in 2011 and 2012.
Last year's big winners were Kinks-inspired musical Sunny Afternoon and drama A View From the Bridge, with Dame Angela Lansbury winning her first Olivier Award for her role as Madame Arcati in Blithe Spirit, her first West End role in nearly 40 years.
Voting has already opened for the Audience Award, the only Olivier voted for by the public.


A series of public information days are being held in east and west Belfast to outline the benefits of the city's new Rapid Transit System.

The Belfast Rapid Transit system (BRT) will link the city centre with west and east Belfast and the Titanic Quarter.
Work is due to begin on the new public transport system in the coming months - it is expected to be fully operational in three years.
The aim is a fast and reliable service using state of the art larger buses.
They will operate at five to eight minute intervals during peak times.
BRT halts will be raised to facilitate wheelchair users, elderly people and parents with pushchairs.
The halts will be further apart to help speed up services and existing public transport such as Metro buses and taxis using bus corridors will be reorganised to complement the BRT.
New park and rides will be built to encourage motorists to use the new system.
A public information event has already been held in the east of the city over the next two days, they will be held in west Belfast.
The next event will take place in Cult??rlann McAdam ?? Fiaich on Thursday 9 January 2014 between 09:30 GMT and 20:00 GMT and on Friday 10 January 2014 between 09:30 GMT and 16:00 GMT.
This event will provide details of the proposals for the section of the Belfast Rapid Transit Route on the Falls Road between Whiterock Road and Grosvenor Road.


A planned indoor arena for Swansea has come a step closer as council bosses begin looking for a firm to run it.

The 3,500-seater auditorium is part of a £500m redevelopment project to transform the city centre.
Swansea council has advertised for an operator to run the facility on the former St David's shopping centre site.
Officials hope a new arena will attract touring live shows from hit programmes such as Strictly Come Dancing and X Factor.
Swansea council said survey work at the site had been carried out and an outline planning application was due to be submitted in March.
Other ideas for the former St David's complex include a café and restaurant quarter as well as a cinema.
The proposals were announced in January alongside a scheme to transform the Civic Centre site into apartments, an aquarium as well as an aquatic sciences research centre.
It is hoped the two projects would create 1,700 permanent jobs in the future.


Virat Kohli has been named as India limited-overs captain for their upcoming series against England.

Test captain Kohli, 28, takes charge for the three one-day internationals, starting on 15 January, and three subsequent Twenty20 internationals.
MS Dhoni, who stepped down as skipper on Wednesday, is in both squads, as is recalled all-rounder Yuvraj Singh.
However, uncapped 19-year-old Rishabh Pant joins fellow wicketkeeper-batsman Dhoni in the Twenty20 squad.
After two warm-up games in Mumbai on 10 and 12 January, England face India at Pune in the first ODI on Sunday 15 January, before the series moves to Cuttack (19 January) and Kolkata (22 January).
The T20 matches take place in Kanpur (26 January), Nagpur (29 January) and Bangalore (1 February).
India ODI squad: Virat Kohli (capt), Ravichandran Ashwin, Jasprit Bumrah, Shikhar Dhawan, MS Dhoni (wk), Ravindra Jadeja, Kedar Jadhav, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Amit Mishra, Manish Pandey, Hardik Pandya, Ajinkya Rahane, KL Rahul, Yuvraj Singh, Umesh Yadav.
T20 squad: Virat Kohli (capt), Ravichandran Ashwin, Jasprit Bumrah, Yuzvendra Chahal, MS Dhoni (wk), Ravindra Jadeja, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Ashish Nehra, Manish Pandey, Hardik Pandya, Rishabh Pant (wk), KL Rahul, Suresh Raina, Mandeep Singh, Yuvraj Singh.


The UN is appealing for $1.5bn (£920m) to fund relief efforts for those affected by the conflict in Syria.

Officials said $1bn was needed to meet the needs of the million people expected to have fled across Syria's borders by mid-2013.
More than 525,000 Syrians have already crossed into neighbouring countries.
The UN is also seeking $500m to provide aid to a further four million people inside Syria, half of whom have been displaced from their homes.
The announcement came as Syrian government forces were reported to be carrying out a broad offensive against rebels in the suburbs of the capital, Damascus.
The official Sana news agency said there had been clashes in the outskirts of Darayya, Harasta, Douma and Hajar al-Aswad.
On Tuesday, warplanes bombed the Yarmouk Palestinian refugee camp for the second time in a week, sending thousands fleeing. Rebels have been fighting a pro-government Palestinian group for control.
Launching the appeal in Geneva, Radhouane Nouicer, the UN's regional humanitarian co-ordinator, said the magnitude of the crisis in Syria was "indisputable".
"The violence in Syria is raging across the country," he added. "There are really no more safe areas where people can flee."
The UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) said its request for $1bn was based on planning estimates that up to a million refugees would need help in neighbouring countries during the first half of 2013.
Some 525,000 have so far either registered with the UN as refugees or are being assisted, a seven-fold increase since May. Many more are in Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt, but have not yet registered.
Between 2,000 and 3,000 refugees are arriving every day.
"Unless these funds come quickly, we will not be able to fully respond to the life-saving needs of civilians who flee Syria every hour of the day - many in a truly desperate condition," Panos Moumtzis of the UNHCR said.
"We are constantly shocked by the horrific stories refugees tell us," he added. "Their lives are in turmoil. They have lost their homes and family members. By the time they reach the borders, they are exhausted, traumatised and with little or no resources to rely on."
UN officials said they would need to provide food, shelter, medicines and even schools for them over the next year.
Inside Syria, UN aid agencies said they required $519.6m to help four million people in need of urgent humanitarian assistance, including an estimated two million who had been displaced from their homes by the fighting. They too were in desperate need of food, shelter, water and emergency medical services, they added.
In total, the UN estimates that 25% of Syria's population now need humanitarian relief.
The BBC's Imogen Foulkes in Geneva says the size of the appeal is a clear sign that UN aid agencies expect the situation in Syria, already described as a massive humanitarian crisis, to get even worse.
The UN has received 70% of the $487m it appealed for in September.
Opposition and human rights activists estimate that more than 43,000 people have been killed since the uprising against President Bashar al-Assad began in March 2011.


As Adolf Hitler's intellectual property rights were about to expire last year, Germany faced the agonising choice of how best to deal with the writings of the man at the heart of the darkest chapter of its history.

For the previous 70 years, the Finance Ministry of the State of Bavaria had exercised Hitler's intellectual property rights. In doing so, it had prevented republication of Hitler's notorious anti-Semitic political treatise, Mein Kampf (My Struggle) in Germany.
Germany faced the choice of following the liberal approach favoured by the UK, US, Canada and Israel, trusting and leaving it to civil society to engage with Mein Kampf. Another option was, as Austria and other countries had done in the past, to issue an outright ban of Hitler's book.
In the event, Germany rejected both options, favouring a heavily paternalistic approach instead.
Mein Kampf arrives in stores in tense Germany
Italian paper criticised for Mein Kampf giveaway
The State of Bavaria gave half a million euros to the Munich-based Institute for Contemporary History (IfZ), a semi-state-run research institute, in order to produce an annotated critical edition of Hitler's book.
At the same time, it stated that it would take anybody to court if they published editions that were not annotated. In a further twist, the Bavarian government cleverly tried to create the impression that it had withdrawn financial support for the annotated edition of Mein Kampf, thus leaving the IfZ to stand alone in the rain.
As January 2016 neared, and with it the IfZ's publication of Mein Kampf, the Munich institute as well as German government officials were becoming highly nervous of what was about to happen.
The institute said at the time how dangerous it would be if Mein Kampf turned into a bestseller in Germany.
Yet, at the same time, it assured the public that would never happen. Its director, Andreas Wirsching, declared that it would be irresponsible to hand over Mein Kampf "free of copyright and commentary", because in that case everybody could do whatever they wanted with Hitler's book.
The IfZ indeed had produced an edition that was unlikely to fly off the shelves.
Weighing in at 5.4 kg (12 pounds) and including 3,700 footnotes, it is a great piece of scholarship.
Even for experts it is extremely tedious to read.
And for several weeks it was next to impossible to buy copies of the book, as the Institute for Contemporary History had opted for a very low initial print-run. Subsequent printings took an oddly long time to arrive at book shops.
However, the paternalistic approach favoured by the Munich institute and by German authorities failed dismally in trying to prevent Mein Kampf from turning into a bestseller.
All they did was postpone the appearance of Hitler's book in the German bestseller lists.
If anything public interest in the book was fanned unnecessarily by keeping the aura of the forbidden alive.
By mid-April, Mein Kampf had managed to move to the pole position of Germany's influential Spiegel bestseller list, where it remained for several weeks.
Even now it stands in 14th place, though many bookshops do not have the book on display and others only order the book on request.
The German approach may have failed but, arguably, concerns about the likely dire consequences of Hitler's book turning into a bestseller were unfounded.
There are no signs that the overwhelming majority of people buying Mein Kampf are doing so for any other reason than curiosity and genuine interest.
There is no reason to believe that in a year's time or so, when the first excitement about the whole affair will have evaporated, Mein Kampf will be more popular in Germany than in Britain or America.
One may also raise the question, as I have in German daily Die Welt, whether Germany would not have been served better by following the liberal approach favoured by the Anglo-Saxon world, rather than a paternalistic approach that distrusts civil society.
Indeed one may also ask whether Mein Kampf becoming a bestseller, and thus Germans engaging with their past, is really such a bad thing, when politicians around the world are frequently compared to Hitler and at a time of resurgent political populism akin to the 1920s.
The fear expressed in Germany and elsewhere is, of course, that Hitler's book may prompt a new wave of anti-Semitism and a resurgence of the radical right.
That concern was fanned further by the announcement by radical right-wing East German publishing house Schelm that it would issue a version of Mein Kampf without annotation. The state of Bavaria has asked prosecutors to take the publisher to court.
Schelm's announcement should be seen as a publicity stunt, similar to the decision last week of Italian daily Il Giornale to hand out free copies of Hitler's book.
But these stunts only became possible because the Bavarian government decided to prevent republications of Mein Kampf for 70 years and they are unlikely to have a lasting effect.
Neo-Nazis and their sympathizers have been able easily to access Mein Kampf on the internet for years and thus are unlikely to be affected by the return of Mein Kampf in print.
In fact, there is no correlation between the approach different countries have taken in the past towards access to Mein Kampf and the respective strength of extremist movements in the countries involved.
It could be argued the danger lies elsewhere: that it is the paternalism shining through the German approach to the republication of Mein Kampf, rather than Hitler's book itself, that fans right-wing populism.
As German intellectual Nils Minkmar warned in Der Spiegel, cultural arrogance and a "haughtiness towards poorly educated classes" has been leading to "the alienation of the lower classes from liberal society", and thus to the resurgence of right-wing populism in the country that Hitler once ruled.
Thomas Weber is Professor of History and International Affairs at the University of Aberdeen. His book Wie Adolf Hitler zum Nazi Wurde (How Hitler became a Nazi - PropylÃ¤en, 2016), will be published in English by Oxford University Press and Basic Books. @Thomas__Weber


Former Irish government minister and one of the founding members of the Progressive Democrats, Bobby Molloy, has died at the age of 80.

Bobby Molloy was first elected to the Dáil as a Fianna Fáil TD (deputy) for Galway West in 1965.
He served as minister for local government, minister for defence and minister for energy during an almost 40-year term in Leinster House.
A Progressive Democrat TD since 1986 he retired from politics in 2002.


Scottish and American investigators have been invited to travel to Libya to question two new suspects in the Lockerbie bombing.

Mohammed Abouajela Masud and Abdullah al-Senussi were named last week.
The offer to speak to the men came from a spokesman for the National Salvation government in Libya.
It controls the capital, Tripoli, and large parts of the rest of the country, but is not recognised by the international community.
Jamal Zubia, Director of the National Salvation government's Foreign Media Department, told the BBC: "They can send some investigators, they come here to see those guys and see what they can do.
"Always we are very helpful, we want to talk to people and we want to show what we have.
"We might have more evidence about other people or maybe those guys have more information about something else, might help you."
Families of some of the 270 people who died in the Lockerbie bombing had welcomed the naming of the new suspects.
Abdelbaset al-Megrahi is the only person to have been convicted over the bombing of Pan Am 103 in 1988.
The plane was on its way from London to New York on 21 December when it exploded above Lockerbie.
A total of 270 people died in the bombing, including everyone on board the plane and 11 people from the Scottish town.
Megrahi, who was found guilty of mass murder and jailed for a minimum of 27 years, died in 2012 after being released from jail on compassionate grounds in 2009. He had terminal cancer.
A spokesman for the Crown Office said they are aware of the reports concerning the two Lockerbie suspects.
He added: "The  Crown will continue to work with the British Embassy as well as colleagues in the United States regarding the investigation."
Both of the newly identified suspects are currently serving prison sentences in Libya, which is in chaos as rival factions fight for control of the country.
Senussi, who was sentenced to death in July, is appealing the verdict. He was the brother-in-law and intelligence chief of former Libyan dictator Colonel Gaddafi.
Masud is reported to be serving a prison sentence for bomb-making.
Both men were named as possible suspects by an American TV documentary last month.
Documentary maker Ken Dornstein's brother David died in the Lockerbie bombing.
He told the BBC's Today programme: "We went in with a list of names that had come from the original investigation, pulled out of the tens of thousands of pages of documents. I established many were dead or missing. Ultimately, I concluded there may be three people left."
On Masud, Mr Dornstein added: "Figuring out simply that he existed would solve many of the unanswered questions to the bombing because he was attached to Megrahi according to the best information there was, including at the airport in Malta on the day that the bomb was said to have been infiltrated into the baggage system and ultimately on to Flight 103."
Megrahi's part in the bombing has been called into question in a series of books and documentaries.
Key developments in Lockerbie bombing case


Andrew McCornick is typical of many Scottish family farmers.

He runs a beef and sheep business near Dumfries.  He is also vice president of the Scottish NFU and understands more than most how much the industry is underpinned by European farm payments.
"I can't think there will be many farms that have a profit without the support from the EU," he admitted.  "It is a big, big part of our income ... as the market isn't rewarding us for what we are doing."
In the last Common Agricultural Policy re-negotiation for the period 2014 to 2020 more than Â£4.5bn was earmarked for Scotland.  With 500 million consumers, the European market accounts for 73% of the UK's agri-food exports, including 40% of Scottish lamb.
On the face of it, voting to leave that market would appear to be like turkeys voting for Christmas.
Stranraer dairy farmer Gary Mitchell, fed up of EU regulation and red tape, did exactly that.
"I grew up in a generation where we have been totally focussed on claiming subsidy on everything we do," he said.  "We have to ask why are we doing it; running at a loss and hoping somebody's going to send a cheque from Europe to make up the deficit."
Mr Mitchell said it was time for change and Brexit was the opportunity.
"The whole European subsidy structure hasn't been working for the UK," he said.
"We are seeing incomes decline and production decline and we need to reverse that.  That's what excites me about Brexit.  We now have the power coming back into our own hands to make decisions that suit our rural economies."
There is no clear vision as to what the future will look like or how we will get there, but might the UK look overseas to see how things might be done differently?  New Zealand, for example.
Faced with a budget crisis in the 1980s, the Kiwi government scrapped farm subsidies altogether.  The industry survived and, eventually, thrived although Dr William Rolleston, president of the Federated Farmers of New Zealand, conceded it wasn't easy.
"People had made a lot of investment decisions based on what they thought they were going to receive in income," he said.
"A number of farmers found it particularly hard and didn't survive the transition if they had maybe bought farms and borrowed heavily."
Dr Rolleson said farms, in general, got a bit bigger and farmers' outlook as well.  The agricultural economy diversified and farmers were able to make decisions based on market realities and not what subsidies locked them into.
He said there was no prospect of turning back the clock.
"If you ask around the farming community in New Zealand, I don't think anyone would say we should go back to the days of the subsidies," he said.
"We see production subsidies a bit like social welfare;  you get trapped into a particular system and it's just so hard to get out."
Getting out of the EU WILL be a catalyst for change in the UK, but is the New Zealand model the answer?  Not according to Mr McCornick who pinpointed two reasons for the continuation of support payments in some form, particularly in Scotland.
"If we are trying to sell into a European market which is our nearest neighbour, farmers there will be still be receiving support," he said.
"We're going to be needing a similar kind of support or we're going to be so totally disadvantaged it will hardly be worth getting up in the morning."
"Also, the nature of the land in Scotland is challenging," he added.  "Only 15% is prime arable land; 85% isn't.  If you look across the border to England it's virtually the flip of that; 85% is better land.
"This (EU) support, it supports communities and it supports the food industry ... an important part of the Scottish rural economy and we have to have the basis to make that work."
The NFU are buying time to try to work out what does happen next.  They've been told that most, if not all, of the funding that would have come from Europe from now until 2020 will be paid from UK or Scottish government coffers if Brexit is achieved before then.
Brexiteer farmer Mr Mitchell said that breathing space must be used well.
He voiced optimism that a way could be found to reduce farming's reliance on subsidies.  He wants the UK to be more self-sufficient in food and reduce its dependence on imports.
But he said farmers could still be competitive in a world export market eager to buy quality Scottish-label produce with the weaker pound already helping that.
Despite not wanting Brexit, Mr McCornick said it can, and must, be made to work.
"I wouldn't say it's a blank page, but we certainly do need to consider what market we are going to be supplying and how we get access to that market," he said.
"We've got to get all that pinned down and then we will see how things evolve and I think we can get something more bespoke to suit Scottish agriculture.
"We're outwith the EU and we have to deal with that."


The UK has extradited a self-styled Kenyan pastor, who claimed he created miraculous pregnancies, to Kenya to face child-trafficking charges.

Gilbert Deya's extradition came after he failed in his decade-long legal battle to remain in the UK.
He denied charges of stealing five children between 1999 and 2004 when he appeared in court in Nairobi.
Concerns were first raised about the conduct of Mr Deya, who ran a church in London, in a BBC investigation in 2004.
Infertile or post-menopausal women who attended the Gilbert Deya Ministries church in Peckham, south-east London, were told they could have "miracle" babies.
But the babies were always "delivered" in backstreet clinics in Nairobi, Kenya's capital.
Mr Deya later moved to Scotland, and was arrested in Edinburgh in 2006 under an international arrest warrant issued by Kenya.
His Gilbert Deya Ministries is being investigated by the UK Charity Commission for alleged mismanagement.
"Our statutory inquiry into Gilbert Deya Ministries is ongoing. We are currently considering the implication of Gilbert Deya's extradition on our investigation," the commission said in a statement.
Gilbert Deya: 'The Archbishop of Peckham'
When the BBC asked Mr Deya during its 2014 investigation how he explained the births of children with DNA different to that of their alleged parents, the 65-year-old Mr Deya said: "The miracle babies which are happening in our ministry are beyond human imagination.
"It is not something I can say I can explain because they are of God and things of God cannot be explained by a human being."
Kenya's police spokesman Charles Owino told the BBC that Mr Deya had arrived in Nairobi aboard a Kenya Airways flight following his extradition.
Mr Deya had opposed his extradition, saying he feared being tortured and sentenced to death.
In 2007, his wife, Mary, was sentenced to two years in prison in Kenya after being convicted of stealing a baby.
In 2011, she was sentenced to three years in jail after being convicted of stealing another child.
Desperate women, some past the menopause and others who were infertile, were convinced that being prayed for by Mr Deya and travelling to Kenya would result in a child.
Once there, they were convinced by Mrs Deya and others that they were experiencing labour and taken to illegal clinics where they believed they had given birth.
But they were actually given babies which had been taken from local women.


An English football fan who tweeted that his 21-year-old Bayern Munich mug was "faded and cracked" has been sent a new one - by the club itself.

Jim Entwistle, 33, from North Yorkshire, wrote that he was "retiring the mug after thousands of brews".
The German club noticed the message and asked for his postal address.
The free, replacement mug arrived on Tuesday - with a letter from the club saying: "We are really proud to have fans as loyal as yourself."
Jim, from Tunstall near Richmond, was given his first Bayern Munich mug as a birthday present in 1996.
His uncle - who lives in Germany - sent him the gift after Bayern beat Jim's team, Nottingham Forest, in the Uefa Cup.
Jim said: "I think he (the uncle) thought he was being funny, but over the years the mug and I became quite attached.
"It followed me around the country, through uni and work. Others have come and gone but it's always been there.
"I must have had thousands of brews out of it, but it's starting to show its age so I thought I'd retire it.
"I just threw out a tweet before work one morning (on 8 June). By lunchtime, my phone was going berserk.
"I'd been followed by Bayern and all their fans were tweeting me. One wanted my old mug. What a world we live in.
"So they offered to send me a new one, which was a lovely gesture. I'm giving it to my baby son - I'm hoping he won't be a Forest fan.
"I work in social media (for the Great North Air Ambulance) so it's easy to be cynical about these things. But sometimes it's just nice to be nice, isn't it?"


Scientists have created a way of turning urine, or pee, into power.

4 May 2016 Last updated at 06:51 BST
A tiny battery costing as little as a Â£1 can make electricity from urine.
The technology could be helpful for people living in poor and remote areas - creating a clean and renewable way of generating power.
It was developed by researchers at the University of Bath, Queen Mary University of London and the Bristol Bioenergy Centre.
Ayshah's been to find out more.


A 40-year-old man has denied raping a woman outside Cardiff University at the start of the academic year.

Remus Hamza, from Cardiff, is accused of assaulting the woman, 20, in the early hours of 20 September during freshers' week.
Mr Hamza denied one count of rape during the hearing at Newport Crown Court.
The defendant was remanded in custody and the case was adjourned until 15 February.


Britons are taking more holidays than they used to but are opting for shorter breaks, an official survey suggests.

It also found that one-day "booze cruises" across the Channel to stock up on alcohol and cigarettes are much less common than they used to be.
The Office for National Statistics found UK residents went on more than 45 million foreign holidays in 2016 - up from 27 million in 1996.
That represents a 68% rise in holidays over the last 20 years.
The ONS also said the most popular holiday destinations had largely remained the same between 1996 and 2016 - although visits to destinations including Germany and Dubai had shot up.
According to the ONS, one of the most likely explanations for UK residents going on more holidays than in the mid-90s is the growth of the budget airlines such as EasyJet and Ryanair.
It also found a "marked decline" in the popularity of two-week holidays since 1996 and the rise of short breaks.
"The week-long break is a lot more popular than before, and there's also been an increase in the number of holidays lasting 10 nights," it said.
That said, the survey found UK residents were making far fewer day-trips abroad than they did 20 years ago.
One reason put forward is because many of those visits were "booze cruises" - journeys across the English Channel to stock up on alcohol and cigarettes - which are no longer as cost-efficient.
"Duty-free sales within the EU ended in 1999, France has been ratcheting up the price of cigarettes since 2000, and in recent years the pound has fallen in value against the euro," the ONS said.
According to the research, Spain was the most popular holiday destination, both last year and in 1996. However, visits in that time have shot up by 87%.
France remained second most popular, but visits fell 9% as fewer families used cross-Channel ferries.
New options have also entered the top 10, including trips to Germany, while holiday cruises are now four times as popular as they were 20 years ago.
"This could be due to an ageing UK population," the ONS said, "but cruise operators are also trying to extend their appeal to younger holidaymakers too."
According to the survey, holidays to the UAE have also jumped almost 20-fold, largely because of the popularity of Dubai.
Interest in Iceland has also jumped, potentially because a fall in the currency after the country's economic crisis has made it more affordable.
Besides France, only four countries with significant visitor numbers suffered a decline in the number of UK holidaymakers since 1996: Turkey, Egypt, Kenya and Tunisia.
The ONS said that all had experienced terror attacks in recent years.


A priest who had his licence revoked after he became the first gay clergyman to marry says he still believes it was "the right thing to do".

Canon Jeremy Pemberton, a chaplain at Lincoln Hospital, was told he could not work as a priest in Nottinghamshire.
He married his long-term partner in April, after pastoral guidance was issued on same-sex marriages.
Speaking publicly for the first time, Mr Pemberton said he had not intended to be controversial or political.
Mr Pemberton, from Southwell, Nottinghamshire, said his wedding to Laurence Cunnington had been "wonderful" but "clouded by anxiety".
"I knew it was going to be controversial but we had planned our wedding several months before the bishop's pastoral guidance came out," he told BBC Nottingham.
"In the end we thought to go ahead with what we think is the right thing to do.
"It was a careful, conscientious decision of two people that loved each other and wanted to commit to each other for life.
"We wanted to take up the right that we have now to be married like any other couple."
Mr Pemberton was told he could no longer officiate as a priest in Nottinghamshire after diocese officials said clergy must "model the Church's teaching".
This week he was blocked by the acting Bishop for Southwell and Nottingham from taking up a promotion as chaplaincy and bereavement manager in the Sherwood Forest Hospitals NHS Trust.
"I was disappointed but I wasn't surprised," he said.
"I think I have been treated inconsistently and don't think I have been treated fairly in that I have not been put through a disciplinary process.
"Penalties have just been imposed on me by the bishops out of the air and there isn't any recourse.
"If they really thought I had done something very bad they could have started a procedure against me... but that hasn't happened."
Gay marriage became legal in the UK in March but the Church of England has not accepted the change.
In a statement issued on Thursday, the acting Bishop for Southwell and Nottingham, Rt Rev Richard Inwood, said: "In light of the pastoral guidance and for reasons of consistency, I am unable to issue a licence to Jeremy Pemberton for the post."


Indian police have filed charges against 15 suspects, including a juvenile, over the lynching of a Muslim man accused by Hindus of eating beef.

Mohammad Akhlaq was beaten to death by a mob in Dadri in Uttar Pradesh state in late September.
His son, 22, was badly injured and had to have hospital treatment.
The case sparked furious debate about religious tolerance in India, with some criticising the government for not immediately condemning the attack.
Daljeet Chaudhary, a senior police officer in Uttar Pradesh, told AFP news agency: "We have filed a charge sheet against 15 persons... It is a case of murder."
Two more suspects were arrested on Wednesday, while a further two suspects are still on the run, local media report.
Mr Akhlaq, a farm worker, was asleep next to his son when a mob burst in wielding sticks, swords and pistols on 28 September.
The attack came after a loudspeaker announcement at a nearby temple said beef had been found in his home.
However, Mr Akhlaq's family, who are Muslim, denied consuming or storing beef - and forensic tests later confirmed that meat found in their fridge was goat meat.
Government ministers from the Hindu nationalist BJP have said the incident was a spontaneous expression of anger.
However, a panel from the National Commission for Minorities concluded that the lynching was premeditated and the temple had been used to plan the attack.
Slaughter of cows is a sensitive issue in India as the animal is considered sacred by Hindus, who comprise 80% of the country's 1.2bn people.
Uttar Pradesh is among a number of Indian states who have tightened laws banning cow slaughter and the sale and consumption of beef.


Britain's Naomi Broady was beaten 6-3 6-2 by fifth seed Timea Babos in the second round of the Monterrey Open.

The 27-year-old British number two failed to trouble Babos as the Hungarian claimed victory in just over an hour in Mexico.
Babos, 23, will face second seed Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova in the quarter-finals.
Defending champion Heather Watson takes on Russia's Ekaterina Makarova in her second-round tie at 22:15 BST.


A man has been arrested on suspicion of theft after a locked bike was filmed being stolen from a rack in Bristol.

The alleged theft, which involved bolt cutters, was filmed by an anonymous man and posted on Facebook on Monday.
The video has been watched by more than half a million people, and the man who filmed it said he was shocked at how brazen the apparent theft was.
Avon and Somerset Police confirmed a 47-year-old man has been arrested in connection with the incident.


The son of murdered Pakistani leader Benazir Bhutto has condemned those who praised the assassination of Punjab provincial governor Salman Taseer.

Mr Taseer was killed a week ago by one of his bodyguards for supporting proposed reforms to the blasphemy law.
Bilawal Bhutto Zardari said those supporting the killer were "the real blasphemers".
Meanwhile, the government has announced that Sardar Latif Khosa, a senior lawyer, will replace Mr Taseer.
Mr Khosa is a senior member of Mr Taseer's Pakistan People's Party (PPP) and was a senator from 2003 to 2008.
He later served as attorney general but had to resign amid corruption allegations by the opposition and friction within the law ministry.
He also represented Ms Bhutto and her husband Asif Zardari in various corruption cases against them in the courts.
The BBC's M Ilyas Khan in Islamabad says that Mr Khosa is a diehard PPP loyalist and a tough bargainer - and it remains to be seen how the PML-N party, which rules Punjab, will react to his appointment.
Mr Taseer was a staunch critic of the PML-N government and was never shy of expressing his views publicly.
Mr Bhutto Zardari, whose father is Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari, railed against those who praised Governor Taseer's assassination as he addressed mourners at the Pakistan High Commission in London on Monday evening.
"Those who attack my religion, specially those who corrupt its peaceful message, you are what I call covert blasphemers and you will be defeated," he said, reports news agency AFP.
"This will be our jihad," he added.
Mr Bhutto Zardari assured Christians and other minorities in Pakistan that they would be protected.
"We will defend you. For those who wish to harm you for a crime you did not commit, they will have to go through me first," he said.
Mr Taseer's assassination last Tuesday has exposed the deep division within Pakistan's society.
At his first court appearance in Islamabad last week, the accused, Malik Mumtaz Hussein Qadri, was showered with rose petals by sympathisers, including a number of lawyers. He confessed to the murder in a Rawalpindi court appearance on Monday.
On Sunday up to 50,000 people held a rally in support of the blasphemy law in the city of Karachi.
Meanwhile, the Pope's statement calling for a repeal of the controversial law has drawn a strong reaction from the Islamists.
The Jamaat-i-Islami party's Liaquat Baloch said it was "open interference in Pakistan's internal and religious affairs".
"The Pope's statement is an open invitation for clash of civilisations and a bid to plunge the entire world into a deadly war," Pakistan's official news agency APP quoted Mr Baloch as saying.
The Pope made his remarks in a new year address to diplomats accredited to the Vatican.
Pakistan's blasphemy law returned to the spotlight in November when Christian woman Asia Bibi was sentenced to death for allegedly insulting the Prophet Muhammad. She denies the charge.
Mr Taseer angered hardline clerics by visiting her in jail and by supporting proposed reforms to the legislation.
His alleged assassin Qadri said he had been angered by Mr Taseer's stance over the blasphemy laws.


Lukas Jutkiewicz's scrappy late equaliser earned Birmingham City a draw at Cardiff City to ease the pressure on beleaguered Blues boss Gianfranco Zola.

Joe Ralls' second-half penalty put the hosts ahead, after Sean Morrison had been fouled by Ryan Shotton.
Birmingham salvaged a point in the 89th minute as Jutkiewicz bundled in a rebound after his header was saved.
They stay 17th in the Championship table but now only six points clear of the relegation zone.
Despite Jutkiewicz's late goal, Bristol City's win at Wigan means the Blues look increasingly like a team who could get dragged into the battle to avoid the drop.
This match was a tale of two managerial appointments - each with wildly contrasting results.
Birmingham had won only twice in 17 games in all competitions since sacking Gary Rowett in December, with Zola overseeing a slump from seventh place to 17th in the Championship table.
Meanwhile, following Neil Warnock's arrival in October, Cardiff had climbed from second from bottom to 13th.
The Bluebirds had won four of their last six home games in the league - keeping a clean sheet in each victory - and they looked likely to improve that record against a Birmingham side low on confidence.
The visitors barely threatened, with one of their few forays into the opposition box ending with a yellow card for Krystian Bielik for diving.
Cardiff had to be patient and, after a forgettable first half, they were awarded a penalty when Shotton wrestled Morrison to the ground.
Ralls was less than convincing from the spot, but Blues keeper Tomasz Kuszczak could only palm his low effort into the roof of the net.
The home side were in control for the vast majority of the match, but let their guard slip late on as keeper Alan McGregor saved Jutkiewicz's header, only for the ball to ricochet off the striker's shin and into the net.
Cardiff City manager Neil Warnock: "I can't fault the effort. We put a lot of energy in the second half, but once again we had the weakness of conceding late on.
"If I'm honest I expected a bit more from Birmingham with all the money they've spent, but they were quite content to play for the draw.
"It was a game we should have won."
Birmingham City boss Gianfranco Zola: "This was very encouraging because after such a poor performance there was a risk that the team could have had a bad reaction.
"But I didn't see that. I wanted to see the team fight and react to this bad moment, and I saw that. This is the thing which pleases me the most, and on personal terms it is very important as well.
"We need to be more consistent to get the momentum on our side because that is what has been lacking."
Match ends, Cardiff City 1, Birmingham City 1.
Second Half ends, Cardiff City 1, Birmingham City 1.
Craig Gardner (Birmingham City) is shown the yellow card.
Substitution, Birmingham City. Josh Cogley replaces Krystian Bielik because of an injury.
Substitution, Cardiff City. Kadeem Harris replaces Junior Hoilett.
Delay over. They are ready to continue.
Delay in match Krystian Bielik (Birmingham City) because of an injury.
Attempt blocked. Anthony Pilkington (Cardiff City) right footed shot from outside the box is blocked. Assisted by Junior Hoilett.
Corner,  Cardiff City. Conceded by Nsue.
Goal!  Cardiff City 1, Birmingham City 1. Lukas Jutkiewicz (Birmingham City) with an attempt from very close range to the centre of the goal.
Attempt saved. Lukas Jutkiewicz (Birmingham City) header from very close range is saved in the centre of the goal. Assisted by Che Adams with a cross.
Joe Ralls (Cardiff City) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul.
Foul by Joe Ralls (Cardiff City).
Kerim Frei (Birmingham City) wins a free kick in the defensive half.
Attempt blocked. Sean Morrison (Cardiff City) header from the centre of the box is blocked. Assisted by Peter Whittingham with a cross.
Kenneth Zohore (Cardiff City) wins a free kick on the left wing.
Foul by Nsue (Birmingham City).
Attempt missed. Lukas Jutkiewicz (Birmingham City) header from the centre of the box is high and wide to the right. Assisted by Maikel Kieftenbeld with a cross.
Attempt missed. Maikel Kieftenbeld (Birmingham City) right footed shot from outside the box misses to the left.
Attempt saved. Craig Gardner (Birmingham City) right footed shot from outside the box is saved in the centre of the goal.
Foul by Sol Bamba (Cardiff City).
Lukas Jutkiewicz (Birmingham City) wins a free kick in the attacking half.
Corner,  Birmingham City. Conceded by Aron Gunnarsson.
Attempt blocked. Che Adams (Birmingham City) left footed shot from the left side of the box is blocked.
Offside, Cardiff City. Aron Gunnarsson tries a through ball, but Sol Bamba is caught offside.
Corner,  Cardiff City. Conceded by Lukas Jutkiewicz.
Corner,  Cardiff City. Conceded by Tomasz Kuszczak.
Attempt saved. Kenneth Zohore (Cardiff City) left footed shot from outside the box is saved in the bottom right corner. Assisted by Peter Whittingham.
Jazz Richards (Cardiff City) wins a free kick in the defensive half.
Foul by Che Adams (Birmingham City).
Foul by Joe Bennett (Cardiff City).
Craig Gardner (Birmingham City) wins a free kick in the defensive half.
Attempt blocked. Aron Gunnarsson (Cardiff City) right footed shot from outside the box is blocked. Assisted by Joe Ralls.
Attempt blocked. Junior Hoilett (Cardiff City) right footed shot from the centre of the box is blocked. Assisted by Joe Ralls.
Substitution, Birmingham City. Kerim Frei replaces David Davis.
Foul by Lukas Jutkiewicz (Birmingham City).
Jazz Richards (Cardiff City) wins a free kick in the defensive half.
Foul by Che Adams (Birmingham City).
Aron Gunnarsson (Cardiff City) wins a free kick in the defensive half.
Attempt saved. Kenneth Zohore (Cardiff City) right footed shot from outside the box is saved in the top right corner. Assisted by Aron Gunnarsson.


A drink-driving teenager has admitted brandishing a loaded crossbow at police officers after causing a head-on crash.

Sam Newns caused the two-car crash in the Maddiston area of Falkirk after driving on the wrong side of the road last September.
He pointed a crossbow in the direction of officers who caught up with him.
The 19-year-old was found to be double the legal alcohol limit at the time, and also had two knives, a saw, a machete and an axe in his possession.
Learner driver Newns, from Maddiston, pled guilty to driving dangerously, with excess alcohol and without displaying L-plates, and behaving in a threatening and abusive manner by brandishing the crossbow in the direction of police.
He also admitted possessing the loaded crossbow as an offensive weapon, and having the knives, machete, axe and a set of crossbow bolts in a public place without reasonable excuse.
Sheriff Celia Sanderson deferred sentence until 17 July for reports, telling Newns: "These are serious charges, no doubt you've had that drilled into you."
The court heard that learner driver Newns was speeding on the wrong side of the road at the time of the crash on 18 September.
His Volkswagen Golf ploughed head-on into an oncoming Mazda, leaving the driver and her two passengers injured.
Police caught up with Newns near Limerigg Primary School, on the B825 road between Slamannan in Stirlingshire and Caldercruix in North Lanarkshire.


Aldershot bounced back from their midweek thrashing with a victory at home against Solihull Moors.

Shots had enjoyed an eight-match unbeaten run prior to their 4-0 defeat against Forest Green on Tuesday and they got back on track thanks to second-half goals from Shamir Fenelon and Scott Rendell.
The hosts broke the deadlock in the 64th minute when Cheye Alexander played in Fenelon and he found the bottom corner from 15 yards, before Rendell headed in Jim Kellerman's cross from close range to seal the win in the 82nd minute.
Solihull had scored four goals in each of their last two matches but created very little as their five-match unbeaten run was ended.
Report supplied by the Press Association.
Match ends, Aldershot Town 2, Solihull Moors 0.
Second Half ends, Aldershot Town 2, Solihull Moors 0.
Substitution, Aldershot Town. Idris Kanu replaces Bernard Mensah.
Goal!  Aldershot Town 2, Solihull Moors 0. Scott Rendell (Aldershot Town).
Substitution, Solihull Moors. Darryl Knights replaces Omari Sterling-James.
Substitution, Aldershot Town. Jim Kellerman replaces Charlie Walker.
Substitution, Solihull Moors. Andy Brown replaces Jamey Osborne.
Substitution, Solihull Moors. Harry White replaces Akwasi Asante.
Goal!  Aldershot Town 1, Solihull Moors 0. Shamir Fenelon (Aldershot Town).
Substitution, Aldershot Town. Shamir Fenelon replaces Iffy Allen.
Jake Gallagher (Aldershot Town) is shown the yellow card.
Second Half begins Aldershot Town 0, Solihull Moors 0.
First Half ends, Aldershot Town 0, Solihull Moors 0.
Ryan Beswick (Solihull Moors) is shown the yellow card.
First Half begins.
Lineups are announced and players are warming up.


On Tech Tent this week we focus on an extraordinary few days in the career of the tech tycoon who's been likened to the comic book superhero Iron Man.

We also discuss Samsung's most important new device in years, and meet one of the creative superstars of the gaming world.
Just about every day this week Elon Musk has been making news, On Thursday there was another landmark for his Space X business when it launched a recycled rocket and then landed the booster for a second time on an ocean platform. If the most expensive part of a rocket can be used more than once, that could transform the economics of space travel and the satellite industry.
Earlier in the week, news emerged of yet another new Musk venture with the aim of augmenting the human brain with computer technology. Neuralink, which is in its very early stages, plans to implant tiny electrodes into the brain in an attempt to treat various disorders.
And then there were more developments at his Tesla electric car business which has now attracted an investment from the Chinese tech giant Tencent. It has bought around 5% of the company's shares - and that helped propel the valuation of Tesla to around the same level as that of the Ford motor company. To put that in context, Ford has been around for 113 years and made more than 3 million cars last year, while Tesla is just 14 years old and made 84,000 cars in 2016.
We talk to the electric car analyst and long-term Musk watcher Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield on the programme. She says the market is valuing Tesla so highly because it sees it as a Silicon Valley software firm rather than a carmaker.
Investors veer between faith in Elon Musk's vision - and fear that it could all come tumbling down. Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield says Musk has teetered on the edge of disaster many times in his career but has always been willing to bet big on his ideas, "It is the stuff of science fiction - he's willing to take those risks".
It's also been a big week for Samsung. For the world's biggest mobile-phone-maker it has - to say the least - been a trying few months. First the Samsung Note 7 had to be withdrawn after it showed a tendency to overheat and catch fire, then the firm's boss was arrested and charged with corruption in a bribery scandal which has rocked the South Korean government. So a lot was riding on the launch of its new flagship smartphone, described by one analyst as its most important device in a decade.
In the event, the Galaxy S8, with its infinity screen and its Bixby AI assistant, got some pretty positive reviews. It is also worth noting that amid all the turmoil of recent months, the Samsung share price has sailed on to record highs.
The company's investors seem convinced by the underlying strengths of a business which, as well as making its own high-end devices, makes components for other leading smartphones. We discuss with the leading gadget pundit Jonathan Margolis whether the brand has recovered from any damage caused by the Note 7 fiasco.
This feels like a key moment in the development of the games industry. The smartphone revolution introduced a whole new audience to games - and allowed a new wave of bedroom developers to compete on a more level playing field with the giants.
Now another new technology virtual reality has come along to shake things up again, with billions invested in a new vision of how we will experience games. We went to an event called Rezzed - part of the London Games Festival - to take the temperature of the industry.
And there we ran into a gaming legend, Ken Levine, the creator of the Bioshock series. For all the talk of VR and other innovations he's convinced that something rather old-fashioned, storytelling, is at the heart of what makes a successful game. "I come from a writing background so character and setting have always been most important to me." He says that's important to gamers too: "They want stories, they want characters but they also want a world they can participate in."
As for virtual reality, he says he's tried it and been knocked out by it - but isn't convinced it's quite there as a gaming experience yet. "These things take time to get right, I don't know as a gaming platform whether it's there yet." Ken Levine says augmented reality has already had a killer app in the form of Pokemon Go but VR is still waiting for that.
He is now at work on a new game, and there are few details yet on what form it will take - but one thing it won't be is a virtual reality experience.


A former TV producer accused of attempting to arrange his partner's murder thought about throwing her off a cliff, a court has heard.

David Harris, 68, told a police officer posing as a hitman he fantasised about killing Hazel Allinson while the pair holidayed in the south of France.
In a video shown to jurors at the Old Bailey, Mr Harris tells the officer he is "deadly serious" about the kill.
He denies three counts of soliciting murder.
The court heard Mr Harris was put in touch with the undercover policeman by Duke Dean - known as Zed - who he initially approached about the "hit".
He is alleged to have offered Â£200,000 to make it look like Ms Allinson, a former scriptwriter for The Bill, had been in a fatal accident, so he could claim her money and Â£800,000 home in Amberley, West Sussex.
But, unknown to the defendant, Mr Dean reported him to City of London Police.
Mr Harris met the policeman in a car park in Balham, south London, in November last year, and the episode was filmed on a covert camera.
The footage appeared to show Mr Harris telling the fake hitman he wanted to push Ms Allinson off a cliff.
He added: "We were down in the south of France... every day I was waking up thinking, is this the day I can get her on the edge and close enough to bump into her?"
Mr Harris, who worked in TV production, continued: "I know what I'm asking, I know there's no coming back.
"I'm 100% sure. Whatever happens, it's got to be fatal."
He said he could pay Â£500 upfront and more "at the end of the rainbow", and that he wanted to spend his days living with younger girlfriend Ugne Cekaviciute by the sea.
He claims he was not planning to kill Ms Allinson, but was researching a thriller novel.
The trial continues.


Lives could be lost if opening hours are cut at a Londonderry drop-in centre, street drinkers have warned.

From the end of July, Foyle Haven will have to open later and close earlier from Monday to Saturday. It will also have to shut all day on Sundays.
The service had been operating a seven-day-a-week service for the last six years.
The charity Depaul, which runs the facility, said it had exhausted all funding options.
Foyle Haven is a frontline day service that provides accommodation and support to vulnerable members of the local community.
More than 200 people use the centre each year.
Kieran, who uses the facility, said he appreciates the help he receives every day.
"It is a safe place to be for alcoholics," he said. "It is somewhere to eat and have some fun.
"We may be alcoholics but we aren't bad people. We need this place."
Kerry Anthony, the CEO of Depaul, said that job losses were inevitable.
"We remain deeply dedicated to the Foyle Haven Day Centre, however, without a commitment of long term funding we are faced with no other option but to reduce the hours of the service," she said.
"Depaul will continue to advocate and seek alternative long term funding options for this service."


A robot salamander that mimics the movement of the real thing has been developed in Switzerland.

29 June 2016 Last updated at 16:53 BST
Researchers at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Lausanne used X-ray videos to track the salamander's movement.


Voters in Ferguson, Missouri, where last year an unarmed black teenager was shot dead by police, have tripled the number of African-Americans on the six-member council from one to three.

The vote in the St Louis suburb is the first since the death of Michael Brown last August led to protests.
A federal investigation found racial bias in the Ferguson police department was widespread.
Two-thirds of Ferguson's residents are black and now half the council.
Shortly after the results came out, a video emerged showing an unarmed black man being shot dead by a police officer in South Carolina.
State investigators said the officer, Michael Slager, would be charged with murder after the video showed him firing at Walter Lamer Scott who was running away.
Turnout in Ferguson increased from 12% at the last elections, in 2013, to 29%.
Wesley Bell, who defeated another black candidate in Ferguson's third ward, said: "This community came out in record numbers to make sure our voices were heard.
"When you have a community engaged, the sky is the limit."
A drive by activists to register new voters and encourage previously disenfranchised residents to vote appeared to have paid off.
"People in general want to see change," Ferguson Mayor James Knowles told the Reuters news agency.
Ella Jones defeated another black candidate and two white candidates in Ferguson's first ward to become the first black woman on the council.
Black residents in Ferguson protested for several days last August after Mr Brown was shot dead by St Louis police officer Darren Wilson.
The protests spread nationwide in November when it was announced that Mr Wilson, who has since left the police, would not be charged.
US police have faced severe criticism from rights groups in the wake of Mr Brown's death, with a series of high-profile deaths of unarmed black men in police custody.


The SNP has finished as comfortably the largest party in the Scottish council elections despite the Conservatives making big gains.

The Tories increased their total number of councillors by more than 160, including in areas that had previously been "no-go" for the party.
But the SNP has replaced Labour as the largest party in Glasgow, although it fell short of winning a majority.
Scotland's biggest city had been under Labour control for decades.
The SNP will now attempt to form either a coalition or minority administration in the city for the first time, after winning 39 seats - four short of a majority - while Labour dropped to 31.
The SNP has also replaced Labour as the largest party in Edinburgh and Aberdeen, as well as in North Lanarkshire, West Dunbartonshire and Renfrewshire, where Labour had won majorities in 2012.
But the SNP lost overall control of Dundee and Angus councils - the only two areas where it had secured majorities five years ago - as the Conservatives increased their number of seats.
The results mean no party has managed to win majority control of a council - meaning they will all either be run by coalition or minority administrations.
SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon, the country's first minister, said her party had achieved "a clear and emphatic victory" in the local elections.
And she said the "very, very good result" would provide a great launchpad for next month's general election.
Ms Sturgeon added: "The SNP has won the council elections. We have more votes, more seats and are in the driving seat of more councils than any other party.
"SNP councillors and SNP councils will put their communities and the people of Scotland first."
The SNP is now the largest party in 16 council area - up from 10 in 2012 - and joint largest in a further three councils.
The Tories won seats in areas including Shettleston in Glasgow and the Paisley North West ward in Renfrewshire, which includes Ferguslie Park - two of the country's most deprived areas - and increased its support across much of the rest of the country.
Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson said her party's success was evidence that people across Scotland were "looking for this Scottish fightback against the SNP".
Ms Davidson, whose party made opposition to an independent referendum a key part of its campaign, added that the party will "speak up for the millions of Scots who have had enough of the uncertainty and division of the last few years".
She pledged: "We will demand that politicians of all parties focus instead on the things that matter: restoring excellence to Scotland's schools and getting our economy back to health."
By BBC Scotland political editor Brian Taylor
Let's talk numbers - there have been boundary changes which mean that some comparisons are made with "notional" outcomes in 2012, the last time these councils were contested.
On that count, the SNP are notionally down by a fractional seven seats. However, in terms of absolute numbers, the Nationalists have ended up with more councillors than in 2012.
Plus the SNP are the largest party in Scotland's four largest cities - including Glasgow, where jubilant supporters attended their ousting of Labour. They have waited decades for that.
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Labour's support slumped across the country, with the party finishing third behind the SNP and Conservatives in Edinburgh - where it had been the largest party.
The SNP won 19 seats in the capital as Labour dropped to 12.
The Scottish Greens and Liberal Democrats also increased their number of councillors in Edinburgh to eight and six respectively.
The council had previously been run by a Labour-SNP coalition, after the parties took 20 and 18 seats respectively in 2012.
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Scottish Labour leader Kezia Dugdale said the results for her party across the country were "disappointing" but "not particularly a surprise".
She told the BBC News Channel the vote in Scotland had split on constitutional lines, with many unionists backing the Conservatives.
Ms Dugdale claimed: "Across Scotland, there has been a clear backlash against the SNP's plans for a divisive second independence referendum and anger over the SNP's woeful record running our schools, hospitals and public services."
With all 32 councils having declared their results, the SNP finished on 431 councillors, with the Tories on 276 seats, meaning they replaced Labour - which was down to 262 - as the second largest party across the country.
There were also 172 independent, 67 Liberal Democrat and 19 Scottish Green councillors.
Scottish Greens co-convener Patrick Harvie said his party had "made real progress", having expanded its support in many parts of the country, including Glasgow and Edinburgh.
In 2012, the SNP won 425 seats, Labour 394, the Conservatives 115, Lib Dems 71 and Scottish Greens 14 - but boundary changes mean direct comparisons between the two elections are difficult, with the total number of seats having also changed.
The BBC calculates overall seat changes based on notional 2012 results, which estimate what the results would have been then if the new boundaries had been in place.
The final results in Aberdeen showed the SNP on 19 seats, while Labour lost nine of its 18 seats and the Conservatives went from three to 11. The Lib Dems dropped from five to four.
But in Angus, the SNP dropped from 14 seats to nine, while the Conservatives doubled their number of councillors to eight. There were also nine independents and two Liberal Democrats, while Labour lost its only seat.
In neighbouring Dundee the SNP won 14 seats, two fewer than in 2012, with Labour on nine and the Conservatives three.
And in North Lanarkshire, which had traditionally been a staunch Labour area, the SNP jumped to 33 seats - one more than Labour. Meanwhile, the Conservatives - which previously had no seats on the council - won 10.
In Stirling, the Conservatives increased from four seats to nine, the same number as the SNP, while Labour dropped from eight seats to four and the Scottish Greens also picking up a seat.
The election used the single transferable vote system (STV), with voters ranking candidates in order of preference.
People aged 16 or over were eligible to vote, with more than 4.1 million people in Scotland registered.
A total of 1,227 councillors were elected across the country's 32 local authorities, with more than 2,500 candidates putting themselves forward.


A hospital which forms part of an NHS trust that serves 2.5 million people has been rated "inadequate".

Surgery, diagnostics and outpatient care all received the lowest rating in a review of east London's Whipps Cross University Hospital.
The hospital, run by Barts Health NHS Trust, was placed in special measures last year over care quality concerns.
Trust chief executive Alwen Williams said: "We must tackle all areas where we are still letting patients down."
A Care Quality Commission (CQC) review, which formed the basis of the decision by England's chief inspector of hospitals, raised a number of serious concerns including:
Professor Sir Mike Richards, chief inspector of hospitals, said Whipps Cross "must now focus on these areas as a priority".
"The hospital is moving in the right direction," he added.
Two new operating theatres and a paediatric clinical decisions unit have recently opened at the hospital.
NHS Improvement has been working to improve management at the trust, which serves Tower Hamlets, since it was placed in special measures.
"Barts Health will leave no stone unturned to further improve care," Mr Williams said.


Six people have been arrested on suspicion of offences under the Terrorism Act.

Four men from Derby, a man from Burton upon Trent and a woman from London have all been arrested on suspicion of engaging in the preparation of an act of terrorism.
Six properties in Derby, Burton upon Trent and London are all being searched as part of the investigation.
All six people are currently being held in custody.
The four suspects from Derby are aged 22, 27, 35 and 36, the suspect from Burton upon Trent is aged 27 and the woman from London is 32.
The investigation is being led by the North East Counter Terrorism Unit supported by local officers from Derbyshire, Staffordshire and the Metropolitan Police.
There is a large police presence in Leopold Street in Derby but police have not confirmed if it is part of the investigation.
Steven Allen, 32, who lives in Leopold Street, said: "I've just come out of my flat, saw a police car there, thought it a bit odd.
"I heard absolutely nothing, I literally got out my flat door, saw a police car, saw the vans.
"It's usually a very quiet street. It's just such a shock to the system."
Local officers will be patrolling the areas to speak to anyone with concerns, police said.


Searches are continuing for a missing Londonderry man who went into the River Foyle on Thursday.

Hundreds of people were involved in searches along the river on Saturday to find 23-year-old Jack Glenn.
Jack's sister, Katie Glenn, said her family were "extremely grateful" for all the support.
Foyle Search and Rescue are leading the search efforts which resumed early on Monday morning.
The police have urged those involved "not to put their own safety at risk" and warned of the dangers of fast-flowing water.
"We just want to thank everybody so, so much for all the support that they have given us," Katie Glenn told the BBC.
"Jack was my only brother and he was just the best brother in the world.
"He was so talented at everything, he didn't know how good he was and how much everybody loved him."
Jack was wearing a blue hooded sweatshirt, dark tracksuit bottoms and blue trainers when he entered the water at the Foyle Bridge.


Toms Skujins will sit out the rest of the Tour of California after suffering concussion in a heavy fall on Monday.

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The Latvian also broke his collarbone in the crash on stage two and narrowly avoided being hit by the peloton as he staggered across the road.
The Cannondale-Drapac rider tried to continue but was pulled out of the race by his team and taken to hospital.
The team say Skujins is now following their internal concussion protocol and will be "monitored closely".
Skujins added that he was "feeling all right" and "healthy". He also tweeted a picture of himself in hospital with the message: "I would never suggest getting in a fight with tarmac because you will lose."
Cannondale-Drapac sport director Tom Southam said: "Toms' crash obviously had a huge impact on us. It was a high-speed crash and unfortunately it happened at a time when the race was fragmented, which delays information and makes these situations extremely hard.
"Toms instinctively continued riding but it was clear that he couldn't go on. It's a blow for the team and for his own ambitions but that was a serious fall, and racing can take a back seat while he heals."
Jonathan Vaughters, the chief executive of Slipstream Sports, who own Cannondale-Drapac, said: "Concussion recovery varies from person to person and from day to day.
"We'll evaluate Toms daily and he'll need to pass a cognitive test before he returns to hard training or racing. His health is the most important thing to all of us."
The seven-day race continues on Tuesday with stage three from Pismo Beach to Morro Bay - a 119.6-mile ride that includes 6,375 feet of elevation gain.
Polish Bora-Hansgrohe rider Rafal Majka leads after stage two, just two seconds ahead of New Zealand's George Bennett of LottoNL-Jumbo.


A football fan who has taken a break from his cancer treatment to follow Wales in France in Euro 2016 said it has been "amazing".

Ian "Jacko" Roberts, 54, of Acrefair, near Wrexham, was in Toulouse for the historic 3-0 win against Russia.
But on Monday, he will return to hospital for treatment on a tumour in his nasal passage.
He said of the game: "The atmosphere was amazing...exceptional."
The win means Wales qualified for the second round, with their next game to be played in Paris on Saturday.
And Mr Roberts, a father-of-one, said he got to meet former Wales international players turned pundits Robbie Savage and John Hartson, who has had cancer, at his hotel in Toulouse.
"I was having a bit of a talk to John Hartson and he was giving me the arm around the shoulder. It was really good," he added.
Two weeks ago Mr Roberts finished 12 sessions of chemotherapy and is about to begin radiation treatment.
The carpenter and joiner, who sings for Froncysyllte Male Voice Choir, was captured singing the national anthem by Hartson who tweeted the footage before the Russia game.
He said it had been brilliant watching the team in France, adding: "Especially after all the years where we have had the heartbreaks, all them times when we failed to qualify.
"It was actually the morning of the Andorra game [a Euro 2016 qualifier which Wales won 2-0 in October] I was told I had the tumour in the nasal passage.
"For all the winter I didn't know I was coming [to France] until the Wednesday before.
"And my friends have all got me tickets. They've all chipped in money for me to come because obviously I've been out of work for a while."
Mr Roberts said it has been hard travelling but he has had a great time with his friends, including Gareth Roberts, 55, originally of Bangor but now living in Chester.
Mr Roberts said he has met lots of footballers and stars through his singing but it is nice for his son, Thomas, 14, to see him mingling with such big names.


A consultation is to be held on whether older pupils should be allowed to opt themselves out of religious observance in schools, the BBC has learned.

All young people in Scotland need parental permission to withdraw from religious activities like assemblies.
The Humanist Society of Scotland (HSS) was seeking a judicial review of that policy for older pupils.
The Scottish government is now to consider revising guidance to head teachers.
Religious observance must take place in Scottish schools at least six times a year.
In England and Wales, sixth form pupils - normally aged between 16 and 18 - have the right to make their own decision about opting out.
The HHS called for older pupils in Scotland to be given the same right.
It came after a report by the UN committee on the rights of the child highlighted the fact that children in Scotland were not able to legally withdraw from religious observance.
It recommended that laws requiring compulsory attendance at religious worship were scrapped.
At that time, the Scottish government ruled out a review of the policy.
This prompted the HSS to take a legal challenge to the Court of Session, arguing that the government may have acted unlawfully by refusing to ensure their guidance remains in line with international humans rights law.
Now the Court of Session has granted a motion to halt that judicial review action for three months.
This was put forward by Scottish ministers with the consent of the HSS.
The three-month period will be used to carry out a consultation which will consider a revision of the guidance on religious observance in schools.
A Scottish government spokesman said: "We believe religious observance in schools should support the values of a diverse, outward-looking Scotland, which encourages young people to develop their own beliefs and values, and understand and respect the beliefs and values of others.
"Listening to the views of young people themselves on all aspects of education is very important, as we have clearly recognised through our approach in the Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2014 and the current Education Governance Review.
"We welcome the opportunity to work with key interests to discuss how we ensure this approach is fully reflected through religious observance guidance."
The HSS has welcomed the consultation. Chief executive Gordon MacRae said: "I think we still live in a country where there's a perception that there are big religious voting blocks and people don't want to rock the boat.
"I don't think that's necessarily true and I don't think this is an issue that should be religious v non-religious.
"There are many people of faith who also recognise it's not helpful to force young people to attend religious observance against their will."
The Church of Scotland welcomed the consultation on religious observance guidance and said it was a decision that should taken by "Scotland as a whole".
Rev Dr Richard Frazer, convener of its church and society council, added: "The point is that you wouldn't give children the opt-out from mathematics or English.
"There are certain important lessons that we need to learn in society. And I suppose the Church of Scotland's perspective is that learning about other faiths, about how people live their lives, is important."
Barbara Coupar, from the Scottish Catholic Education Service, said: "It's recognised that when parents choose to send their children to a Catholic school they are choosing to send them to a school which is based on the heritage and traditions of the Catholic church.
"And therefore that is integrated into everything we do, not just into religious education, and not just into assemblies, but also other curricula areas and other parts of the school life."


A care home has been fined £1.5m for safety breaches after a resident fell from a fire escape staircase and died.

George Chicken, 76, died at Rose Court Lodge, in Mansfield, Nottinghamshire in November 2012.
Embrace All Ltd, which ran the home, previously pleaded guilty to failing to ensure residents were not exposed to health and safety risks.
Manager Amanda Dean also admitted failing to take reasonable care of persons affected by her work.
The firm was fined at Nottingham Crown Court where Dean was also fined £20,000 and sentenced to nine months prison, suspended for two years.
Dean, of Ambergate, Derbyshire, and the care home pleaded guilty in July.
At the time, the court heard Mr Chicken, who had severe dementia, was known to wander around the home and push open fire exit doors to get out.
The court was told, that on the day of the accident he wandered through a first floor fire escape door and fell down concrete stairs, fracturing his skull and suffering a bleed on his brain.
He died at King's Mill Hospital two days later.
Sentencing Embrace Ltd, Judge Stuart Rafferty said it failed to put in place measures that are standard in the industry and "allowed breaches to persist over a long period of time".
He added that Dean "was out of her depth in managing the care home".
Bev Smith, chief executive of Mansfield District Council, which prosecuted the home, tweeted: "Tragic case and a strong message we will not tolerate poor standards.....Quality of care is vital for the most vulnerable."
After the sentencing, chief executive of Embrace, Patricia Lee, apologised to Mr Chicken's family and said they had "worked exceptionally hard" to address the issues raised in the case.


Wales and Ospreys scrum-half Rhys Webb expects to be back in action sooner than expected following injury.

Webb has not played since suffering a serious foot injury in a World Cup warm-up with Italy in September.
The 27-year-old says he is close to a return, giving him time to get fit before the Six Nations in February.
"I'm back up and running now and going through a pre-season sort of stage at the moment. It's all coming along well," he said.
"I'm going to take each week as it comes now and see where I am then.
"It's been talked about [returning] at the beginning of February, but I did ask the physios if they could scrape a couple of weeks off that and they said 'yes'."
Wales begin their Six Nations campaign away to Ireland in Dublin on Sunday, 7 February.
Webb, capped 16 times by Wales, has renewed his national dual contract with Ospreys and the Welsh Rugby Union.
He turned down offers from elsewhere to stay at the region for whom he made his debut in 2007.
"It's my home region and I enjoy the club," Webb told BBC Wales' Scrum V Live.
"I want to put myself in the best possible position to play for my country and I'm not going to give that up that easy.
"Wales and the Ospreys came together and I'm happy to get it done."


Three nurses have been struck off for poor care - some of which led to patient deaths - at a Caerphilly county home.

A Nursing and Midwifery Council panel (NMC) found failings by five nurses at Brithdir Care Home, near Bargoed, amounted to misconduct.
Tembakazi Moyana, Daphne Richards and Rachel Tanta were struck off on Friday.
Susan Greening received a caution order and Beverley Mock was suspended for one year.
Following the hearing, families of patients who lived at the home vowed to continue campaigning for criminal cases.
In May, a disciplinary panel found 86 failings proved out of an alleged 150 against six nurses in relation to nine residents between 2004 and 2006.
They related to poor management of patients' pressure sores, record keeping at the home and other deficient care.
In the case of Miss Moyana, the panel said her care directly led to the deaths of three patients, while that of Ms Tanta contributed to one.
Ms Greening's caution will temporarily remain on her record.
The sanctions came after the NMC panel found seven misconduct charges proved against Christine Hayes, the director of nursing at the Caerphilly Local Health Board between 2003 and 2006.
She was found to have kept moving people to the home, despite knowing of serious concerns, and was struck off in January.
Concerns about Brithdir were raised during Operation Jasmine, an investigation by Gwent Police into allegations of neglect in south Wales care homes.
The Â£11.6m police inquiry collapsed when former Brithdir owner, Dr Prana Das, was declared unfit to stand trial due to brain damage he suffered in a violent burglary.
The home - which has 40 residents with dementia, mental infirmity and learning difficulties - is now under new management.
Pamela Cook, whose father Stanley Bradford lived at the home, said: "We are definitely, as a group, going to try and take this forward.
"We are not giving up. It's soul destroying, the effect it's had on us."
Gail Morris's auntie, Edith Evans, died at the home and she said she will not be happy until there is a criminal case.
"I'm still just disappointed. It doesn't really mean a lot to be struck off because they are not practising anyway," she added.


Health officials are considering alternative options after original plans to end consultant-led maternity services at a north Wales hospital attracted criticism.

Local politicians and health experts have devised a "Plan B" to retain doctor-led services at Glan Clwyd, Bodelwyddan, Denbighshire.
Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board confirmed it was considering the plans.
Two weeks ago, 350 people had a meeting with health officials to air concerns.
It was organised by local Assembly Members Darren Millar and Ann Jones who have since held a further meeting with consultants and health board medical officials to draw up a revised plan.
The health board's original plans would see clinical staff transferred to Ysbyty Gwynedd in Bangor and Wrexham Maelor hospitals from 6 April.
It said the temporary measure was due to staffing issues and the consultant-led maternity service would return to Glan Clwyd Hospital within 18 months.
But on Monday evening it confirmed a revised plan was now being considered.


Stoke City captain Ryan Shawcross has agreed a new five-and-a-half-year deal.

The centre-back had 18 months remaining on his old contract and his future had been the subject of much speculation.
Manager Tony Pulis was full of praise for the 25-year-old defender, who recently made his England debut.
"He's been the bedrock of what we've been trying to do over the past five or six years," said Pulis. "We're really pleased that he's finally agreed [to extend his time at Britannia Stadium.]"
Shawcross initially joined Stoke on loan from Manchester United in 2007 and helped the Potters win promotion to the Premier League.
He joined the club on a permanent basis for £1m during their promotion season.
In total, he has made 227 appearances for Pulis's side and scored 18 goals.
Shawcross made his England debut as a substitute in the 4-2 defeat by Sweden on 15 November.


Tony Mowbray avoided a cup upset against his former club after Blackburn claimed victory at Coventry in the EFL Cup first round

Goals from Corry Evans, Richie Smallwood and Dominic Samuel were enough to ensure a safe passage for the League One side.
Evans opened the scoring when he beat Liam O'Brien with a slightly mis-hit shot from 20 yards out on 17 minutes.
The Sky Blues levelled five minutes later when Duckens Nazon swept home a rebound from close range.
Evans was denied by a smart O'Brien save after 30 minutes when City gave the ball away carelessly.
But there was nothing O'Brien could do two minutes later when Smallwood restored Rovers' lead with another long-range effort.
A superb lunging block by Elliott Ward kept out Nazon's goalbound strike at the start of the second half.
Rovers then wrapped the game up when Samuel finished well to open his Blackburn account after 56 minutes.
Report supplied by the Press Association.
Match ends, Coventry City 1, Blackburn Rovers 3.
Second Half ends, Coventry City 1, Blackburn Rovers 3.
Foul by Richard Smallwood (Blackburn Rovers).
Stuart Beavon (Coventry City) wins a free kick in the defensive half.
Ben Gladwin (Blackburn Rovers) wins a free kick in the defensive half.
Foul by Duckens Nazon (Coventry City).
Attempt saved. Harry Chapman (Blackburn Rovers) right footed shot from the right side of the box is saved in the centre of the goal.
Attempt blocked. Elliott Bennett (Blackburn Rovers) right footed shot from outside the box is blocked.
Attempt blocked. Jack Grimmer (Coventry City) right footed shot from the centre of the box is blocked.
Corner,  Blackburn Rovers. Conceded by Liam O'Brien.
Attempt saved. Jack Doyle (Blackburn Rovers) left footed shot from the centre of the box is saved in the centre of the goal.
Attempt blocked. Richard Smallwood (Blackburn Rovers) right footed shot from the centre of the box is blocked.
Attempt blocked. Paul Caddis (Blackburn Rovers) right footed shot from outside the box is blocked.
Attempt blocked. Elliott Bennett (Blackburn Rovers) right footed shot from outside the box is blocked.
Jack Doyle (Blackburn Rovers) wins a free kick in the attacking half.
Foul by Jordan Shipley (Coventry City).
Dominic Samuel (Blackburn Rovers) wins a free kick in the defensive half.
Foul by Rod McDonald (Coventry City).
Corner,  Blackburn Rovers. Conceded by Rod McDonald.
Corner,  Blackburn Rovers. Conceded by Liam O'Brien.
Attempt saved. Harry Chapman (Blackburn Rovers) right footed shot from a difficult angle on the right is saved in the top centre of the goal.
Paul Caddis (Blackburn Rovers) wins a free kick in the defensive half.
Foul by Kyle Finn (Coventry City).
Dominic Samuel (Blackburn Rovers) wins a free kick in the attacking half.
Foul by Rod McDonald (Coventry City).
Substitution, Blackburn Rovers. Jack Doyle replaces Charlie Mulgrew.
Substitution, Coventry City. Kyle Finn replaces Jodi Jones.
Elliott Bennett (Blackburn Rovers) wins a free kick in the attacking half.
Foul by Duckens Nazon (Coventry City).
Substitution, Blackburn Rovers. Harry Chapman replaces Corry Evans.
Corner,  Coventry City. Conceded by Derrick Williams.
Elliott Bennett (Blackburn Rovers) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul.
Foul by Elliott Bennett (Blackburn Rovers).
Jodi Jones (Coventry City) wins a free kick in the attacking half.
Attempt blocked. Elliott Bennett (Blackburn Rovers) right footed shot from outside the box is blocked.
Foul by Dominic Samuel (Blackburn Rovers).
Dominic Hyam (Coventry City) wins a free kick in the attacking half.
Substitution, Blackburn Rovers. Ben Gladwin replaces Liam Feeney.
Jordan Ponticelli (Coventry City) wins a free kick in the defensive half.
Foul by Elliott Ward (Blackburn Rovers).